"People say 'I believe in vaccines.' Nobody says that about seatbelts."
Aaron Siri is the managing partner of Siri & Glimstad and, by most measures, the most consequential vaccine litigator in America — the attorney behind the famous nine-hour deposition of Dr. Stanley Plotkin, lead counsel for the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN), and author of the new book Vaccines, Amen: The Religion of Vaccines.
This one steps outside the show's usual lane, and I'll be upfront: this is not medical advice, I'm not a doctor, and everything Aaron argues here is his own case — where it's contested by public-health bodies, treat it as one side of an open debate. What ties it to this show is the question we always ask: how do you know what's real when you're not allowed to check? We get into how a custody case led to the legendary Plotkin deposition, the Hepatitis B shot Aaron says was licensed on 147 kids with no control group, the 1986 law he calls "the original sin" of vaccine liability, the Ford Pinto and what punitive damages really do, informed consent vs. the right to refuse, whether vaccines stop transmission, and the measles-mortality data almost no one talks about. A conversation about evidence, incentives, and who gets to audit the people in charge.
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⏱️ CHAPTERS
0:00 Welcome + cold open: "What is real?"
0:24 Intro & disclaimer: not medical advice
1:57 How the Stanley Plotkin deposition happened
3:38 From Goldman Sachs to the largest non-pharma vaccine practice
5:00 Prep: treat a vaccine like any other product
8:27 Plotkin's conflicts of interest (Merck, Pfizer, Sanofi, GSK)
11:00 The Hep B trial: 147 kids, 5 days, no control group
18:20 The reveal: Plotkin was the trial's principal investigator
23:45 1986: the "original sin" of vaccine liability
33:48 The Ford Pinto & punitive damages
36:54 [Ad] Stamp Seed · Firefish
38:34 Informed consent vs. the right to refuse
47:51 Do vaccines stop transmission? Pertussis & the pulled ad
55:00 Measles & polio: the mortality-decline argument
1:03:57 Individual rights, COVID & where we are now
1:09:24 Where to find Aaron
1:12:11 Outro
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